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Sunday, 1 March 2009

Changes on GraffLondon

Changes that you might want to be aware of

Unlike Facebook, we tell you whats going on. No, we are not selling all of your information (if any) for loads of dollar. Stop sweating all you paranoid folk.
Alot of discussion lately (on & off the board) about certain things on this website, which has been on-going for quite a while, and it is something that was ment to be taken care of at some point.
Theres no excuse really, its just one of them things you need to do, but just never get round to doing it due to other things getting in the way. When its finally done, its all worth it, and benefits whoevers involved.
The board has been split down to 2 departments. Decoration & Reflection.

Decortation- Photo posting only. All posts to be approved by a Moderator before appearing on the site.
Reflection- All sections in this department are the same as they were before.

Why do my posts need to be approved?
Blame other people for ruining the privilege. We all know about graff on the net. As good as it is, it just ruins itself all the same. Not something I need to go into, the main point here being that we want the best outcome for everyone, for the site and the scene in general.
I know theres been alot of problems/beef/whatever between people due to this website. But you could easily say the same about MySpace, FB, or whatever you twitters are into. People may say, close this website down, but what does that accomplish? Everyone would just go elsewhere, or back to 12 like the old days. How about we focus on the problems and get them solved, today.
Like I said, we want the best for everyone, for the site and for the scene in general. And I can safely say that this website isn't perfect, but has definently made more of an effort to keep on top of certain things than any other site. And we don't ask for much.

"GraffLondon, home of the three biggest cunts on the internet; Les Dennis, Dr Conz ad Adrenalinge".

Some of you may be reading this thinking, what the fuck is going on, why is all this happening?
Like I said, graff on the net, lets make the best out of it without ruining it! The photo posting sections - Far too much bullshit chat. Sooo many people just love to have a good old gossip. Some people like to look like they are in the 'know'. We don't care! We dont care where it was done, who was with him, what bus they took to get there, or what type of pants surround his arsehole. The only people that care about that information or get paid to get that information will have to learn the hard way. If you are a generally friendly, lovely, fun loving artist then PM whoever posted the photo if you desperately want any kind of info, and hope that they PM you back. Or ask a trusted friend on msn, fb chat, or when you see them down the drinking establishment. Lets keep the bullshit off the threads. Stop trying to impress people on a website, if you want to impress then do it properly, in the real world.

The bullshit chat is the biggest downfall. Some of you, will probably come on this website just to talk wank. Maybe to stir some sort of hatred towards another person, or between other people. Many reasons I'm sure. But one that you should all be aware of, is that this site is monitored by many different types of people.
Nobody has ever been arrested, charged, or sentenced for anything that has appeared on this website. This doesn't mean, lets go wild and post whatever we want. It means, lets continue to keep saying that at the end of the year, and at the end of every year that comes along.
It doesn't matter what is posted on here. Maybe a photo, or some silly information. The majority of stuff spoke about on here, its not evidence, it can't be used in court, and alot of it is of course speculation. You are responsible for your own actions though, nothing to do with us. You can only blame yourselves but when people cross the line, we will do what we can. There is no need for info to be posted. Yes, I know it might not mean someone is arrested, but it might give certain people a general idea, or open new gates that could easily be kept closed. Totally uncalled for.

These changes are for a good cause! Fuck all the bollocks, lets just look in that thread and see a beautiful page of something worth looking at. No more Hollyoaks gossiping. Don't wanna see people moving their rumours or beef into the politics section. Think before you post.

There will be new 'Post Moderators' added, due to now all photo's in the main 3 sections needing approval. Their powers will be to approve posts and topics in the main 3 sections. I have 3 people in mind that will be contacted, due to their commitment to the site. They will be another part of the team, aswel as the other mods of course. Mods are on all throughout the day and night, and I would generally say that after a post is made in one of the sections, it should well be approved within an hour or 2. Depending on the time obviously.

Writers Index

This is opening soon. Some of the pages will remain closed. If your name appears on the list, then you can get in contact in some way, with someone, if you want it to stay closed. This section will be like the other main 3 sections. Approved posts and topics only. If you feel a topic is missing, then post on the writers index chat thread in the info & help section.

Wednesday, 4. February 2009, 11:43
as someone once said - "the change of the times is all it is, and you have to adjust with it. if you're out there painting certain things, and worried about it appearing on the internet or getting arrested then you shouldn't be out there doing it in the first place, in my opinion. either that or you take yourself out, which then just makes it all totally pointless. people do graffiti for other people to see, otherwise, they would just paint in their garage or put a fence up to use in the garden. self promotion, weather its online or down the local park, its all part of it, so is getting arrested if you let yourself slip. rise above it."

If anyone would like to reply to anything said, ideally, please use a thread in info & help. If you find your inbox has dissapeared, click the icon to PM someone else and you should be able to locate yourself to your inbox from there.
And if anyone has a comment about the website, in general, in the future, do NOT get in contact personally with one of my mods. Contact me directly if its that big a deal.


For those that don't know, we have a policy agreement with 12oz. Recently there was an announcement and this applies to us & everyone here too:

Hi all,

occasionally we get emails/PMs like the following:

Yo whats going on,
I'm writing you this as a moderator to ask you to close to blah blah thread. The police have been using the message board as a tool to gather information and track IP adresses, and are using that information to build cases, come to peoples door's and to make raids. I'm not 100% sure on all the deatils, but everyone in the city who's fallen victim to this within the last week has said that the police admitingly use 12oz as a resource.
Thanks dude.

there is no simpler way to put this than THEY'RE LYING TO YOU!! don't be stupid and fall for their lies. think about it, can you see anybody's IP address? no, of course you can't. why do you think a police officer could? they're viewing this site as a member of the general public just like you. they can't "track" anybody's IP address any more than you could. on top of that do you think they have the training, the authority, or the funding to hack our servers for that information? the answer to all 3 is most definitely no. if the police want any infomation from our servers the must subpoena it. rest assured, they've tried, and failed, on multiple occasions. 12oz is under no obligation to assist police in their investigation of any crime not commited by any of the people who own/run/operate this website.

we try our best as moderators to keep the boards free of incriminating evidence, but unfortunately there are some individuals who are just hell-bent on getting themselves thrown in jail by doing stupid shit online. please think before you post, and if you have a problem with somebody please don't blow up their spot online. that just makes you a snitch.

the police have access to the boards, they can see the photos you post. if you post a photo, please try not to name the place it was taken, and the date it was done. this is just common sense. if you can figure out who a certain poster is, then so can the cops. so don't blow up spots, don't drop dimes. pretty simple concept to grasp.

when it comes down to it, a low-resolution image obtained from this website does precious little to help in a case against any individual, and is often not even admissable as evidence. as it stands, for you to be charged with a crime the person who owns the property the crime was commited on must file an official complaint with the authorities. it's not a crime until somebody reports it!! the majority of graffiti is cleaned by the property owner and they don't waste their time reporting the incident. so if you weren't caught in the act and you don't admit to any wrongdoing, chances are you'll be released an innocent man/woman.


please, use common sense when posting on these forums. your own safety is ulimately in your own hands.

and to any of our friends in law enforcement (hi!), remember, when using our forums you're agreeing to the following:

The use of our boards by law enforcement for the sake of researching, gathering, or in any way preparing evidence for use in any legal proceedings or prosecution is strictly forbidden. You agree to these terms by requesting any page or content originating from our domain


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